Warrior Goddess Training with Guest HeatherAsh Amara

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It started with a dream

HeatherAsh Amara had a dream that led her to an apprenticeship with Miguel Ruiz a Toltec Shaman. Jumping in with both feet she is now an author and her own artist of the spirit. With curiosity about how we create our reality and how we can learn about the agreements we make with ourselves and other people. We can we become artists of our lives.

Energy sucking memories

Most of us look like colanders; we don’t hold our energy. We are not taught how to. Our energy gets bound to the past. To become vibrant and present in our lives we must learn a piece of Toltec work called recapitulation. In the Toltec method they use a simple breathing skill to call our energy back. The desired goal  being to live here and now; from inspiration not memory.

Key of awareness

HeatherAsh emphasises the need for us to become aware.  “Every agreement we have ever made takes energy.” We don’t need to know where our agreement originated. We just have to show up and pay attention to how we are reacting to the world around us. Instead of looking to blame or fix the past we look to our past and ask where did we lose our energy. Or where did we take on someone else’s energy (belief system, thoughts, emotions, agreements).

Express yourself

In western civilization we don’t know how to express emotion. We tend to be afraid to let it go. However, if we get this right first everything else falls into place. As we practice we gain skill and it gets easier. A sense of spaciousness is a sign of success. Amara likes to walk through the rooms of emotion, story, truth, and intent to realign. Baby step by baby step growing ourselves is more sustainable and brings stillness to our everyday lives helping us to truly live in the present.

Warrior Goddesses and The Feminist Movement

Amara feels that women of today are in transition and that people who are oppressed become like the oppressor. She says the feminist movement has left women wondering who they are and dissatisfied. She wrote her book Warrior Goddess Training because she sees a need for warrior goddesses in all the different manifestations, from the most compassionate to the most fierce. Bringing both these energies together with respect for each individual’s authentic essence. All are different. All are right and good.

Interview Transcript:

– Welcome back to The Urban Monk, Doctor Pedram Shojai. Hanging out with a guest who we tried to get on before we had some bandwidth issues, and I was like, oh my god I love this girl, I really want this conversation to continue just have it work. So we now have Internet and it’s been a long time coming Her name is HeatherAsh Amara. She has studied Toltec wisdom, and her book is called Warrior Goddess Training, so you know I’m already into it because I love my warrior goddesses. And the subhead is “become the woman you are meant to be.” And it’s all about understanding your agreements with the universe, and understanding and honoring your intention and your words, and so I’m just, I’m super excited to have this back up and running, and happy to have you back on the show. Hi, welcome.

– Hi thanks so much, Pedram. I’m so glad to be here again. Good Internet.

– Good Internet, and great necklace.

– Thank you.

– That’s just, that’s special.

– Yeah, beautiful.

– So how did you get into all this Toltec stuff.

– I had a dream. I was studying with a teacher that I was wrapping up an apprenticeship with, a really dear woman in the Bay Area. And I had a feeling that I was missing something in the particular lineage that I was working with. And one night I had a dream and I woke up and I remember thinking, okay, right, where is this man that’s gonna show up in my life in Davis, California, which is a tiny town in Northern California and change my life. But it was really clear, there’s someone coming. And about a week later, someone came in to my office and said, oh my god, you have to meet this man. And my whole body went, no, I am not ready. And that man was Don Miguel Ruiz, author of The Four Agreements. And it took me about a year, literally, to get ready to spend time with him. And about a month after I met him he took on a group of apprentices, so I just jumped in with both feet, and haven’t looked back since. It’s been an incredible gift.

– So, for people who don’t know, he’s the author of The Four Agreements, which is an excellent, excellent book. Who is he, what’s his background, cause you just got swept into someone’s universe here.

– Yes, yeah. Miguel is a Toltec shaman. So the Toltecs were a group of people that came together in South and Central Mexico to study perception. They considered themselves scientists and artists, and they really were curious about as humans how do we create our reality, and how do we become artists of our life. The word Toltec means artist of the spirit.

– Wow, and that’s how they self-identify as well, like, that’s their thing, that’s their path.

Every Agreement We've Even Made Takes Energy - @HeatherAsh via @PedramShojai

– Yeah, and so a lot of, what I loved about the Toltec work and the tools that I learned working with Don Miguel, is that so much of it is about the agreements that we make with ourselves and with other people, that we don’t realize we’re making, and how much energy those agreements take. And so, beginning to become aware of the places that we’ve bound our energy to the past, so that our energy is trapped in the past rather than being available to us in the future, and how to free that up so that we’re vibrant and present and in current reality rather than in the past or in the future.

– Okay, I love this, I love this. How do we bind ourselves energetically to things in the past. Let’s just start to dig into circumstantial evidence of how we’re doing it in our lives right now.

– Well if you look at humans energetically, what most of us look like is colanders. That we’re really not trained how to hold our energy. So we tend to leak a lot of energy. And anytime that we have experiences that are out of fear, we lose a little bit of energy. And that energy gets trapped in the past. And, so we move forward in our lives, but a lot of our resources, we can say, is still tied energetically to the past experiences that we had. And, so the Toltec work, a piece of it, is called recapitulation, is about becoming aware of our energy being, and, it’s a really simple breath technique to start to call our energy back from the past and bring it so it’s fully present here and now. And, part of the Toltec work is what we call erasing our personal history. So, it’s that we can show up not from concepts or memory of who we’ve been or what we were told we were supposed to be but that we’re really integrated here and living from inspiration rather than memory.

– Living from inspiration means living in the moment, living in this kind of you know, I guess the Christians would call revelation, right. Things are kind of unfolding in front of us as we step into an unfolding universe, right. The prison of being stuck in the past, tied to memories, tied to emotions, tied to identity. How does one, I mean, we all know we got it, right, like, we’re all adults here. Yes, I’m stuck, right. And so how does one go back and start to work to get unstuck.

– There’s two main paths I see, and I like to really take us as humans and separate out the different aspects of ourself. That we have a mental body, we have an energetic body, we have an emotional body, and we have our physical body. And so we wanna work on each of these different levels. And the first key, which is key in so many traditions around the world, is awareness. To become aware of what we’re telling ourselves, of what’s happening emotionally, of what we’re doing with our energy, and how we’re in relationship to our physical body. And what you notice as we go into awareness is pretty quickly the mind is like this incredible bully that’s telling our emotional body what it should do and our physical body what it should do. And so as we start to take, create some space then we can look at how do I begin to call my energy back and how do I begin to be in a different relationship with my emotional body. So the agreements are tied with energy. Every agreement we’ve ever made takes energy. And, we make agreements consciously and unconsciously. And the truth is we make really unfortunately very few conscious agreements. Most of the ones that we make, we don’t realize we’re making them. They get passed down to us from our culture, our religion, from our parents. We make stuff up without realizing that we’ve made it up. And just little, simple things will happen. Like, if you can imagine, one of my quickest stories is, if you’re in a car with your parents and you’re about four years old, and you’re singing your favorite song and you’re so happy to be singing this song, and your parent goes, “Stop singing right now! “I can’t stand it.” And you stop singing, and in that moment, most likely, you make an agreement. And most of us would make an agreement like, I can’t sing or I have a terrible voice, or I’m too loud. And it might be that your parents heard a siren coming and they needed you to be quiet so they could hear it, or they had a migraine coming. It had nothing to do with your voice, but you make this agreement, I have a bad voice. And so what happens is, let’s say you turn 21 and all your friends are like, we’re going to karaoke, this is gonna be so awesome, to celebrate you and your birthday and you’re singing first. And your reaction would not be that’s great, I’ll break that old agreement I made when I was four years old. Your reaction would be terror, or no, there’s no way I’m doing it, but you wouldn’t know why. So the cool thing about working with this place of awareness to explore agreements is that you don’t need to know where they originated. All you need to be willing to do is show up in your present life and pay attention to how you’re reacting to the world around you, and start to get curious about what agreement might I have that would create this response. What conscious agreement is running underneath the surface that would cause this reaction. And it’s that awareness that helps us to then start to unwind it.

– So, you know, the thing that you’re presupposing is that there’s some awareness, right, and so building awareness into our lives to actually look at our lives and realize that maybe we are involved in any way in this living, breathing universe. I mean, you know, god forbid we get involved in our co-creation reality here. But so then we’re talking about contracts with the universe, right. We’re talking about unspoken, I’d say 99% of the time, unspoken contracts that you’ve made as an agreement with god, the universe, reality, whatever you wanna call it, that is now set almost like a macro or a set of rules that are now like laws that you’re abiding by and not even questioning.

The Truth Is Always Super Simple - @HeatherAsh via @PedramShojai

– Yeah, don’t even realize that you’re abiding by them. Exactly, exactly. And those all take energy. And so, you know, so often I talk with adults that say I don’t have enough energy to make change, or I don’t have the energy to do the things I wanna do. And it’s because we have so many programs, or macros, or however you wanna say it, agreements running in the background that all our energy, so much of our energy, is taken up keeping those alive. Cause the moment that you pull your energy out of them. They dissipate. And so that’s why the awareness is so important.

– Okay, so a couple questions there. So, I’ve played with different metaphors in my life. You know, lately I’ve been talking about, you know, closing down windows, because everyone’s has this metaphor of a computer in front of them. As a Qigong practitioner we have people kind of seal their hara, put their hands over their lower dantien. In shamanism practice back in the day like close your eyes and go kinda cut the umbilical cord to some of these things. And so there’s a lot of ways to visualize this. So, my first question is how does this, is there like a visual component to this Toltec path for this, and the second one is, how do you know when it’s done. Because a lot of people are like, well I canceled it but it’s back. And so how does one actually close the deal.

– Yes, great question. So yes there’s visualization with the Toltec and the key with all these practices is about the capacity to witness ourself. And so the tool of recapitulation for the Toltecs is that we’re going back over our past and as a witness looking at one question where did I lose energy. Which is different than the question most of us ask which is whose fault is this, who’s to blame, how do I fix this in the past. So none of that matters. All we’re doing is, I want to get my energy back, where did I lose energy. Or, where did I take on somebody else’s energy, cause that’s the other thing that we do is we take on other people’s belief systems, thoughts, agreements, emotions without realizing it. And what we believe is that each of us has a unique ray of light, a unique vibration, and the beauty is that your essence recognizes itself. And so as you do this practice of visualizing where I lost energy, and some people see it as light filaments that they lose. Other people have a feeling sense in their body. I’ve talked to some people that hear a vibration and they’re like, oh, I lost energy there, I can hear it doesn’t sound right. And, to use the imagery, which is energy travels on imagery, and that’s why it works. That we create an image, a symbol, and use that to gather the energy back. And the other component with it that goes with it is the emotional body, which is separate than the energetic body. So as we do recapitulation for example, if you’re going back and you start having an emotional reaction to something. What we say is stop the recapitulation because you’re no longer in witness, you’re now in emotion. And emotion needs something different in order to unravel it. It needs to be expressed. And, without the story. And that’s what then moves the emotional energy out of our body. So this is something that’s so key, especially in the Western world because a lot of us have a very challenged relationship with our emotional body. We haven’t been taught how to be with it at all.

– So, I mean, to me it’s just most people freak out because they’re afraid of freaking out.

– [HeatherAsh] Right, exactly.

– So I don’t even know how to enter this because I’m gonna be a mess because I’ve held these emotions at the gate for so long that at this point, I don’t have time for this.

– Yeah, I don’t have time for this, or if I start I’m never gonna be able to stop.

– Neither of which are true because by saying I don’t have time for this what you’re saying is I’m going to invest time in this and bleed out to this every minute of my existence and feel like I have no other time for anything else in life because I’m actually suffocating in time.

– Yeah, exactly. And we do it so backwards. It’s like, put that first, get your energy back then everything else falls into place. So.

– Okay, so, this pivot here between being the witness and then suddenly being in an emotional upheaval where like, oh, oh, okay, hold on, tap out, I need to go into like, emotional reconciliation land. What does that look like? Cause A it doesn’t seem easy because most people are afraid of emoting, and B, you know, at that point, that seems like, you know, man I’m always gonna be emotional so like, this is regressive, like. I’m gonna hit this thing, it’s a pressure release valve, and then it’s gonna get yucky, and then I’m gonna have to be with the stuff I don’t wanna feel forever, and so how am I moving forward, right. Like this is where I think a lot of people get stuck in the work.

– Yeah, absolutely. So it’s about, I teach people two things which is that a part of it is learning to witness and when you start witnessing emotion rise, once the emotion gets triggered, it’s not like you can shove it back or make it like, I’m not gonna be triggered. It’s too late, once it’s up it’s up. And so, to honor that and so many of us are trained, I know I was, emotion arises and I’m like I don’t wanna deal with it lemme try and put it back. But then you’re taking all of this energy and attention to try and shove the emotion back and it never quite goes back into the box. And so, to learn this skill, and it is a skill, to witness when an emotion starts to arise, and either to open around it, and sometimes just the opening instead of closing, I shouldn’t be having, but just the opening allows it to move, and sometimes you realize, wow this is a deeper emotion. And to then take yourself and give yourself permission to express the emotion. And even just to say, I’m just gonna express it for five minutes. And our mind says, you’re not gonna be able to do that, you’re never gonna get out of the emotion, but actually your emotional body is incredibly wise. And when you go back into relationship with the emotional body and start to talk to it and start to be conscious and kind to it, that then the emotional body starts working with you. It just needs to know that it can trust you to release the past. And what happens now, it’s so often we have this this like, I think of it as like this backpack that we’ve just shoved all of these old emotions in put them under pressure, and the only way that our being can deal with this is the emotions go out sideways. And so we feel like this is awful, it’s always gonna go out sideways, I’m always gonna be out of control. But the truth is if you take the backpack off and open it up and let some of the excess emotion out consciously, you set up time for yourself to do emotional release work, it actually clears things really beautifully. And it’s scary at first, but it’s like anything else, as you practice it and gain skill around going towards your grief or going towards the anger, it gets easier. And again your body starts to trust you and it goes, oh, okay, here’s what I need to help clear this old emotions out.

– The other side of that, I mean, to me that’s spiritual weight loss, right, like I mean it is it is exhausting to carry around those types of emotions. And, you know, I’ve said this before I’ll say it again, some of the nicest people I know are martial artists who actually like, get to like, be angry at a bag, right. Just because they have permission to emote, and some of the stuff I’ve seen like Dr. Joan Rosenberg, who’s a friend of mine, she said, you can’t really, if you’re in a pure state of emotional expression, you can’t really stay in any emotion for longer than 90 seconds before it moves.

– [HeatherAsh] Exactly.

Pay Attention To How You're Reacting To The World - @HeatherAsh via @PedramShojai

– Right, so you’re afraid of staying somewhere, being stuck somewhere in perpetuity, and all you really need to do is purely go there and within a couple minutes you’re on the other side of it. And you’ve facilitated workshops and been with thousands of people. Please confirm that this is actually the case, and this isn’t conjecture, right.

– It is actually the case, absolutely. And there’s also a piece around separating the story from the emotion. And I think this is where people get stuck is that they have a story about, this emotion isn’t okay, I shouldn’t have it, or I deserve to have this emotion because this person hurt me and I’m still angry at them, and so we tell ourselves a story, we have the emotion, and then we tell ourselves a story again, and then we have the emotion, and then we tell ourselves the story again. You can keep it going for a long time. And so to separate out and say, I’m just gonna put the story aside. And it sounds difficult, but once, again, once you learn the skill and practice it, it becomes much more easier to turn towards the emotion and then that’s exactly what happens, you got into it 100% and it’s over. It’s intense and then,you feel better. So how do you know, so you asked a question earlier how do you know if you’ve really cleaned it up. In terms of the emotional body how you know is if you release the emotion and then you feel a sense of spaciousness afterwards you’ve created more space, you’ve cleared it out. If you have the emotion and you still feel the residue, there’s still story attached, you’re still telling the story, and so, that then is turning towards, okay, there’s still an agreement that needs to be unwound.

– So do you do that like a ping-pong match, where it’s like, okay I’ve done some of my pressure release valve work, and now I’m running into the narrative of a story, let’s go over here and see if I can release some of these agreements, and then, oh, oh, I’m getting emotional, you go over. So just you kind of like switch back and forth until you’ve kind of cleared it.

– Yeah, that’s one way that I do it. And I have, I haven’t written this out yet, but I have a book that I’m working on about a method that I found to be really helpful that when you get stuck with something that you start by going towards the emotion. So I think about it as a house, and there’s four rooms in the house. And the first room is the feeling room. So to practice going towards what am I feeling and asking ourselves this constantly. And again this is mending our relationship with our emotional body. How am I feeling right now? How am I feeling right now? And when you get triggered, to go sit in the emotion room, just for one, two, five minutes. And breathe with whatever you’re feeling without judging it, without trying to change it, without spiritualizing it. Be with the emotion. And then the second room is the story room. So then you go, okay, what’s the story I’m telling myself. And to get curious about it, and to let it run, to let the story run, and to be willing to see how you’re judging, how you’re feeling victimized, to go all the way through it. And then the third room’s the truth room. What’s actually true here. What is true here. And to let yourself settle, what happens with most of us is we go to the story room and we go to the truth room and we make a better story up. That sounds better, but it’s still not the truth. And the truth is always super simple. It’s always incredibly simple. And so, I, when I do this practice with myself if I’m really stuck I’ll just go, okay, the one truth I know right now is that I am breathing. That is true. And then I’ll just stay there until another truth pops up, and they always do.

– So you anchor in truth so that you can basically get re-aligned with reality after you’ve dispelled the emotional energy, you’ve kind of looked at the contract. Then you go to truth, and then there’s a fourth room.

– Yeah, which is intent. What’s my intent in this moment with this situation. What do I want to put my focus towards.

Emotion Needs To Be Expressed To Be Unraveled - @HeatherAsh via @PedramShojai

– I like it, I like it. It’s a very elegant framework to get in and actually, you know, a lot of people get in to get out. And they wanna, because it doesn’t feel good, they wanna get in and get out faster than it takes to actually heal something. Therefore nothing gets healed.

– Yeah, it’s just, the crust gets polished a little bit. But yeah, we want it to go into the depth, and we need tools and models and we’re so blessed to be in this time to have so many different models that can help us, and tools, and guidance. And it is the simpler those tools are in a way the better because then that allows us the framework to hold ourselves for the long haul because it is, the work that we’re doing, is deep healing, and it’s not just our agreements that we’re healing. We’re healing agreements from our ancestors, from the dream of the planet that we’re in, from the way that humans are dreaming now, and there’s a lot of depth in the work that we’re doing, in the unwinding. And it’s a super exciting time because of that.

– Yeah, well, you know, it’s the tagline is “become the woman you’re meant to be” but this is so appealing. I mean you obviously work with women predominantly, but the Toltec work is, you know, cross-gender obviously. Everyone can do this work. Let’s get in to the goddess bit. How is it that you have been able, because you know, a lot of, I think, you know, there’s a lot of kind of perspectives on feminism and women’s power and all this, and this our original conversation kind of, you know, is coming back to me now and how you really wanted to step into what a warrior goddess is and how that is kind of like, you know, the right energy moving forward for women of our era.

– Yes, yeah, and we’re in a transition so. I see that there’s these different waves of feminism. These different waves of women stepping into their power. And one of the first waves, which always happens with oppressed peoples, is that there’s a backlash. People that are oppressed become more like the oppressor. And it’s really the first wave through. Like the only way that you’re gonna break through is to become more like the oppressor so that you can then get a foothold. And so what happened when the women’s movement is a lot of women became like men. And that was how they got into corporations and they got jobs and they moved out of the old paradigm. And now I feel like there’s this wave of women are waking up and going wait a minute, that’s not working. And who are we, and how do we wanna express. And as women nowadays we need both qualities of that warrior 100% focus, I am here, I am in, I am committed. And, we also need this open, receptive, playful, creative goddess, and all the different manifestations of the goddess, from the most compassionate to the most fierce, and to bring these energies together is really vital. And that as women, you know, when I created warrior goddess, it wasn’t with this thought of, okay, we’re gonna be 50% warrior, and 50% goddess and then you’ve got it, like you can check the box off. It’s really that some of us express much more as goddess. THat’s the quality of our essence. We have a little bit of warrior. And some women are much more warrior-oriented with a little bit of goddess, and some are 50, more balanced, more 50-50. But all expressions are beautiful. And I love that, I was just at this retreat that I taught in Sedona, and just the diversity of the women just makes me so happy. Cause there are super warrior women that like, do not do groups, but here they were, just melting and opening. And also super flowy goddessy women, and there’s so much respect for each other’s expression, and that’s what we really need right now as women and as men, and as everybody, all genders, is to respect the expression of our essence. And to have the patience as we unravel whatever agreements and beliefs that we have to get to our authentic expression and that beautiful vibration light that each of us is.


– You know, being in a room with people who have started to do this kind of work is so uplifting. Because people carry so much garbage around with them. And you know, and they just bring it into the room and everyone’s, you know, fronting, and everyone’s pretending to be who they think they outta be and all this kinda stuff. And once you start getting into this type of work, there’s just this energy in the room that allows the oxygen to flow. And so, I’d love for you to speak to, for my listeners and viewers who haven’t done any of this kind of work. Like, how that process works, like how quickly you can start to feel better, take that pressure off as you get into this and then what, you know, starts to escalate into, as you start finding out who you really are.

– Yeah, what’s so beautiful about working in groups is that what I hear from women over and over again and my experience has been is that we come in thinking we’re going to be judged. Or that we’re not gonna fit in or that we’re not gonna be able to make friends or whatever our stuff is, but a lot of it’s around judgment and fear of being judged or fear of being exposed in some way. And so to come into a group of people where no one’s judging you, where everyone is kind, where everyone’s curious about who you are not who they think you should be it’s a revelation. And, it’s not something you can, it’s hard to talk about because it’s such a physical, body experience for your body to get, I’m safe here, I’m seen, I’m held in this space. And what happens is that because there’s a container that holds you the places where there’s been energy that’s been stuck or fear, all of it starts to just peel off in such a beautiful way. And a lot of what I love doing with people is that helping people practice real-life things that you would be dealing with in your life but practice it in this safe way. So there’s a lot of exercises that are geared towards here’s a container that you can explore and experiment and try new things to figure out how to bring it back into your world, so that when you’re back into your world, you know, it’s not like, ooh there was that great workshop and now I’m just gonna go back and nothing’s changed, but that you have skills to bring back with you. So it’s really powerful.

– So that skill, let’s talk about it real quick because you know, you could liken it to maybe like a virus-checker right. You have an operating system, you know, you walk into your job-job, and you go back to being who you are in your world, and you forget all about the wonderful weekend, and you know, all the things that are the dangers of having these kind of seminar yo-yo experiences, right. So now, how do you start to build that awareness and that scanning for agreements that might not be serving you into a day-to-day approach that then allows you to be a better you.

– Yeah, yeah. It’s a lifestyle change. And so, the word I like to use is stalking yourself. So in the Toltec world there’s two paces that we work with, stalking and dreaming. And stalking is about getting to know yourself intimately. So if you think about big cats, big cats will stalk their prey over days. They’ll know where their prey sleeps, and feeds, and eats. They’ll have the whole map and where the weak points are. And so when we’re doing our work, we go back into our world excited and curious to start stalking ourselves. What are my habits and patterns. What do I do with my mind, with my emotions, with my physical body. And so it’s not so much, how do I fix myself, which is I think where a lot of us get in trouble is we go back to our lives and say, oh I’m not fixed. That didn’t fix me. But instead how do I now bring my awareness in such a way that I learn about myself. And use different experiments. I love running experiments to change and explore and experiment. And that takes the pressure off of it. And that is really, really helpful. And to also look for the gaps. So, one of the places I found super helpful for people to bring things back into their life is to recognize that in all of our lives, no matter how insanely crazy busy you are, there are always gaps. There are places when you’re walking to the bathroom, or you are driving in your car to work, or you’re waiting in line at the coffee shop to get your coffee. And what most of us do now is check our phones and fill the space, or list what we need to do, and so this place of beginning to transform, that those gaps are precious, and if into every gap that we find, we start to move towards stillness. Even if it’s just for three seconds, like, I’m gonna wait in line, and I’m gonna take three breaths and move towards being just totally present here and still and then I’ll pull my phone out. And then just celebrate like, I had three seconds, yes. And just keep growing ourselves because it’s the celebration and the growing ourselves, baby step by baby step, that make it sustainable. Rather than it’s supposed to look this way because then we end up not doing it.

Ask Yourself: Where Am I Losing Energy - @HeatherAsh via @PedramShojai

– Yeah, I love that. We have a lot of things that kind of overlap on my Daoist training and your shamanic training. This is wonderful, we could play in the sandbox for weeks. But really, that stopping time, that moment where, you know, we’re all complaining about not having time and then as soon as the universe gives us some time we go on our phone or do something stupid and waste it, and that right there is, you know, an example of how we’re living everything in our lives, right. And so to take that into go into that place of stillness, and I think that, you know, one of the challenges is I’m pretty positive that most people don’t have enough relationship with that place called stillness to understand the importance of going there as often as possible.

– Yes, yes. I think that is very true. There isn’t a concept, and there’s a a belief that it’s difficult, and that it’s gonna take a ton of time. And so that’s why being around people that are still is so vital, I think, community is so important because if you don’t have a context for something it’s hard to go towards it. But the moment you start spending time with people or reading books or watching videos of people that have that stillness your body goes, oh wait a minute, I recognize that cause we do, we come in still. We don’t come in with all this stuff in our head. We come in deeply connected. And so, to spend as much time as you can around people that have some level of stillness and a practice, and then put a practice in place for yourself, and have community that supports that makes a huge, huge difference.

– I love it. Well you just got off a wonderful event in Sedona, which is a great, great place to go cultivate stillness. And, I know you have a book coming out later this year around the same time, and so you’ll be my friend in time talking about stopping time and bringing stillness to our everyday in our moment. So I think it’s a much-needed conversation right now in our culture. I absolutely loved this. I would love to have you in studio. I would love to have you around. I just think that you’re delightful. The book is called Warrior Goddess Training, HeatherAsh Amara. She is doing all kinds of wonderful work so look her up. I highly recommend the book, and just following up with this type of training, you need a teacher, right. It’s important to have a teacher and have community in what you’re doing so that you can be in that safe space and really kind of open up to the inner work and it requires just pressing pause and allowing those emotions to release and all these wonderful things that we’ve been hearing about here, But I promise you, it’s easier to do that than to drag around all the crap that keeps you weighed down and always out of time in life. So, I mean, you know, you wanna get out you gotta get in to get out. And to get in, you don’t ever wanna leave in because in is so beautiful.

– Yes, so true.

– Thank you so much. I’m honored to have you here. YOu’re welcome back any time, any time you wanna hang out, let’s do stuff, let’s do stuff.

– Sounds good.

– I’m a big fan of this work. Thank you.

– Thank you so much. Take care.

– Let me know what you think. I will see you in the next show, whether you’re seeing this on Facebook, YouTube, our blog or whatever, it helps for me to hear back from you. So let me know, and love up HeatherAsh, and check out her work, I will see you next time.

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