The Urban Monk Podcast – Lewis Howes: Discover Your Greatness
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Academic Failure To Athletic Phenom
Lewis Howes is a former All-American in two sports, a former pro athlete in the Arena Football League, a LinkedIn and webinar expert, and a successful podcast host.
It was a challenging road to his current success. As a child, Lewis thought something was wrong with him. He wasn’t learning as easily as his classmates. He was failing tests and reading several years behind his grade level. He couldn’t pull his focus from his failings and the things he didn’t do well.
Until he tried out for his school’s athletic teams.
On the field, Lewis learned to value himself in a way that would carry over into his online business success.
He saw that hard work, sacrifice, being coachable, and being a good teammate, paid off. He saw that he was good at learning, just in a different way. His achievements on the athletic fields buoyed him into young adulthood. But things fell apart after an injury to his wrist during one of his Arena League football games.
Injury and Anger
The injuries took him from the packed stadium and the roar of the crowd to a couch in his sister’s apartment and the drone of the television. With his arm in a cast, job prospects limited to the family business, and noodles and cereal as his nutritional staples, Lewis didn’t see a way out.
A path was forced on him when his father suffered a serious head injury. Lewis had planned on eventually working in his father’s business and maybe one day running it. When his father was forced to sell the business, Lewis was left without any backup plan.
Anger and a desire to prove his detractors wrong, had spurred Lewis’s athletic achievements. He now used this same anger and resentment to fuel his foray into online business.
Creating a Dream and a Passion to Serve
A suggestion from a mentor to see if he could make some connections on LinkedIn, led Lewis to stay on the platform for six hours a day for eighteen months. He became an expert on LinkedIn and people paid him for that expertise. He has since brought that single-minded focus to his webinar trainings and podcasting.
Anger was the spark, but Lewis discovered something that created more of a burning desire for success. He recognized that he had talents and skills that allowed him to live a life he had dreamed of. He discovered that he had the gift to inspire others to discover their own talents and gifts. He wants people to dream the way they did when they were little children and thought anything was possible.
Part of his prescription is for you to dream about being in a position to discover and use your gifts and talents. He wants you to unplug from technology, and head out into nature to write down how you can best serve yourself while serving the people around you.
Write down what your perfect day would look like. What would you be doing? Who would you be doing it with? Plan it in detail. Write out a daily itinerary.
He believes that if you begin to dream again, play to your strengths, discover your purpose, plan for greatness, don’t worry about disappointing the people around you, and take incremental steps towards that best you, you will craft the life that you deserve. To get more, go to LewisHowes.com, where you can also find his podcast and his book, “The School of Greatness,
Interview notes for the show:
Pedram: You talk about greatness, what is The School of Greatness?
What Is The School Of Greatness?
Lewis Howes: School of Greatness is something that I wanted to be a part of my entire life. I was terrible in school, I was the opposite of you Pedram. I was terrible in school. You talk about math and reading and writing and I couldn’t do any of it. It was really challenging for me to read and to stay focus when I had a book in front of me. I just couldn’t stay focused after about a paragraph. I’d re-read over things. When I went to eighth grade I went to a private boarding school in St. Louis, Missouri because I begged my parents to send me away from the small town I was in Ohio. I was just doing stupid stuff and I wanted to get out of there. My parents were fighting a lot, they were going through a divorce I was like, “Get me out of here.”
When I went to 8th grade they put me through a number of exams and I’m terrified of tests. I do horrible job. I had a 2nd grade reading level and they essentially were like, “You need to be in a tutor class we might have to hold you back a year.” I was like, “I’ll do whatever it takes do not hold me back” because I was so embarrassed of my level of ignorance with school work and with that type of learning. The School of Greatness for me was I had to learn how to connect with people and learn how to generate results in the real world outside of school. Because I put so much focus and attention that I wasn’t smart enough in school and that that was going to matter in my life.
When I started to switch that I said, “There’s other things that mean something in life.” I remember hearing or reading a quote that someone said, maybe you know who said this that, “People don’t care about how much you know until they know how much you care.” When I saw that or heard it whenever it was I remember thinking, “I’ve got a chance in this life, in this world and there’s more than just books and school work.” I’m a big proponent of … an advocate of learning and growth. I’m a huge on learning and growth, I’m constantly learning. I love to learn and grow but I want to learn in a different way and that’s The School of Greatness.
Pedram: That’s hilarious. I was having a dinner the other night talking about education with some new parents and I’m a new parent. You don’t trip about these things until you have to get there. It was this whole … I live up this kid and I hand him over to the system and then I pray that they’re not going to fuck him up, right?
Lewis Howes: Right.
Pedram: It’s a big thing. We start talking about how our education system really started to adapt after the communist did their thing and we became Leave It to Beaver and everyone sit up straight and here’s your pencil. This whole mode of society that tried to fit everyone into this mold and guys like you are just like, “I can’t.”
Lewis Howes: I couldn’t do it.
Pedram: I can’t do it. You’re obviously a smart dude and so how did you turn that corner? You’re like, “All right, maybe I’m not dumb, maybe I’m not a reject. I’m going to start learning and figuring stuff out on my own.” Where do you go from there especially at that time?
Transitioning From Athletics To Business
Lewis Howes: It took me a while to think that I wasn’t a reject because I literally thought I was. I thought something was wrong with me my whole childhood because of that. Because everyone else was easy for them to do homework and get good grades and it was such a struggle. It started to shift when I put all this negative energy into sports after school. This is where I care to let it out, get my aggression out and feel like I mattered. Luckily there were sports and recess because I was able to perform in a way that I could show my talents and my skills. That was showing how hard I worked. I was willing to sacrifice constantly my body to come early and to train late.
I really cared for my teammates and I saw the value of having a team. I was very coachable. Anytime a coach told me, “Do this, do that, do this.” I would do it and then some. I learned that okay, I can still get results in sports by being a great teammate, listening, working my butt off, going the extra mile. Doing all these things that we all know what to do and I saw them pay off. I saw that I was … I was All-State in three sports in high school, then I was All-American in two sports in college then a professional athlete. I saw the rewards from the work and the prices I paid to get those rewards.
Then when I got injured playing Arena football and I went through like a two year depression state because I put my whole identity around my worthiness in my ability to perform as an athlete and that’s all I knew. Again, I didn’t study in school, I didn’t have a backup plan, I didn’t have a college degree yet. After I got injured I was sleeping on my sister’s couch for two years. About a year and a half but it was two years process of me getting on my own two feet. She was providing food for me and shelter for me and I wasn’t working and I was recovering with this cast they had on. I had a bone graft so you know this.
I took a bone on my hip, put it in my wrist, six months in a cast in this position. It was at that moment where I started to say, “I have no clue what I’m going to do. I don’t know how I’m going to figure this out. The only thing I do know is sports so how can I make whatever I’m doing now into a sport? How can I translate what I was learning as an athlete and playing on teams and put that into the next thing?” Whether it’s getting a job or running a business or something but that’s the only thing I know how to do and that’s exactly what I did. I found some key mentors, I found teammates. I asked people to give me an itinerary for what I needed to do every single day to practice and these are the things that I did in sports.
I just took a lot of action and threw things around and finally things started to stick. Then I focused on those things that were my gifts, my natural talents and gifts that I saw I had something in. I put all the energy in there to start making money and that’s where the next steps happened.
Pedram: You’re on the couch, hand up, busted up.
Lewis Howes: Like this.
Pedram: Sister is feeding you your cereal kind of thing.
Lewis Howes: That’s it man, ramen and cereal.
Pedram: As a man, as anybody …
Lewis Howes: I was a 23 year old man that was just playing in front of 20,000 people every Sunday, feeling like a God and then I’m a nobody.
Pedram: Watching Scooby-Doo reruns.
Lewis Howes: That’s it.
Pedram: Wondering what the hell to do. What got you up off your ass first of all? What was that spark?
Lewis Howes: You know what? It’s interesting because my dad had gotten in a really bad car accident the year prior. He was travelling in New Zealand with his girlfriend at the time, my parents got divorced. He was travelling and he got hit by another car that came on top of his car and the bumper came through and hit him through the windshield in the head and he was in a coma for three months. His head split open, they had to … his girlfriend was holding it together while they cut open the car and airlifted him out to the hospital. We didn’t know if he was going to survive or not. He eventually woke up three months later. He’s alive today but he’s never been the same.
He’s not able to work. He’s got a lot of challenges, emotionally, mentally, physically and so he’s not fully the dad that I once knew. In some ways that was the spark because I always had a backup plan with my dad. He had finally gotten his groove with his business where he was at when I was in my later teens, early 20s before his accident. He always said, “Go pursue your dream give it 100%, you can always come back and work for me.” I’ll give you my company one day type of thing. “Come back work for me for years, when I’m done you can have it and off you go.” I never thought of how I’m going to be creative and resourceful and learn on how to take care of myself. I always had him to rely on.
When I got done and I was injured and I was done, he was injured and essentially he had to sell his company and he hasn’t worked since so I didn’t have that as a backup plan. I said, “Holy shit, what am I going to do with the rest of my life? I don’t have this backup plan.” I probably would not be here today if my dad was healthy and had his business because I probably would have been like, “All right, I’m going to go live in Ohio and work with my dad and do that.” That was like …
Pedram: You’d be on so much Prozac.
Learning How To Use Linkedin To Build Success
Lewis Howes: Exactly, I’d be stressed, I’d be miserable. I’d be whatever. I realized from an early age I was supposed to do something to serve the world. I didn’t know what it was but I always had this calling. That was it, for the first few months after watching Scooby-Doo reruns for a few months I finally said, “I’ve got to do something.” I reached out to these key mentors. These mentors, the three key mentors I had early on were the spark. They challenged me to step up. They said, “Just try something and do it.” One of them said, “Get on LinkedIn early on maybe you’ll find some opportunities.” That meant for me I spent six hours a day on LinkedIn for the next year and a half.
I built up incredible relationships and I learned a lot about one thing. I didn’t try to do everything. I mastered one thing for two years and everyone came to me for advice and everyone asked me to coach them and everyone asked me to speak at their conference because I was working hard to put information out there and to educate people. I wrote a book about LinkedIn and then I started doing webinars about LinkedIn. In my first webinar I made $6200 teaching LinkedIn. It blew me away that I would make that much money in an hour. I said, “Okay, I’m going to focus on this and I could do this for the rest of my life if I still enjoy it and it continues to make an impact in other and increase my impact.
For the last six a half years I’ve been doing webinars consistently every week for the last six and a half to seven years because it continues to make an impact on people and make an income and I have fun with it.
Pedram: You’ve done really well for yourself.
Lewis Howes: Thank you.
Pedram: Looking back at that era when you were flat on your back on that sofa I think everyone in life has one of those moments. It might be more pronounced, it might be less pronounced but it’s just like, “What the hell am I doing? What is my …” looking down the barrel of that future. That stick-to-it-ness, that’s something I want to stay on for a second because six hours a day on LinkedIn some would consider excessive, right?
Lewis Howes: It was – for sure.
How To Find The Motivation To Succeed
Pedram: You were that guy that would show up at practice and keep going so what is that? How did you find that drive to stay on there?
Lewis Howes: Originally it was prove people wrong, it was to prove everyone wrong that said, “I told you so” that told me I wasn’t good enough when I was in elementary school. The people that said, “Go get a regular job.” It was coming from a place of resentment, frustration and anger. I said, “I’m going to do this in spite of you.” It worked to create incredible results. That energy and fuel was very powerful. I remember in sports I lived this way as well all through my early childhood through professional football. It was out of in spite and proving people wrong that I’m going to be great in sports. It was proving the people wrong who’d made fun of me as a kid and all these other things.
Although it helped me achieve incredible goals that I had I always felt leaving … I was a two sport All-American. That was my dream since I was five and each one of those sports that I achieved in right afterwards about 15 minutes I was the loneliest, most depressed person in the world. I was mad and angry. I was like, “I just achieved everything I wanted, why am I not happier and more fulfilled?” I didn’t understand until a few years ago why I was this way. It’s because I was coming from a place of proving people wrong and that was my inspiration for being great as opposed to inspiring and being in service of people.
That being my motivation for why I want to achieve results is to be a symbol of inspiration that, “Hey I can pursue my dreams and achieve it in a positive way and so can you. Every since I’ve shifted that I’ve felt so much lighter and I feel so much more fulfilled. I have even more energy to go through when it’s challenging and I don’t feel exhausted at the end of the day. I feel like I did a great job and I’m spent but I’m like, “I’m ready to go the next day.” It’s like a more renewed energy, a rechargeable energy that’s unlimited as opposed to this, “I need to really … I don’t know. I was getting really unhealthy.
I gained about 35 pounds when I was living this way. I just wasn’t conscious or intentional about how I was doing things. I was just like, “I need to do it, I need to do it, I need to do it to prove people wrong.” As opposed to, “Let’s be aware of my body, my mind, my heart. How’s everything feeling while I’m doing this?” It’s shifted everything sense.
Learning To Control Your Anger & Channel It For Positive Results
Pedram: That get-it-done-at-any cost mentality you can see it with the economy, you can see it with the pollution in our air. You’re almost thinking like Darth Vader in a way, like feel by anger. It’s the quicker path, right?
Lewis Howes: It gets you there, it’ll drive you there.
Pedram: Anger is good medicine and a lot of guys I think … you’re an athlete so you get it, right?
Lewis Howes: Yes.
Pedram: Some of the nicest guys I’ve ever met are athletes that light people up or punch each other in the face and go out for a drink. Versus people that are all soft and yogi and judge anger. There’s a use for anger but you overstepped, right?
Lewis Howes: I overstepped, yeah.
Pedram: It became your food, it became your fuel.
Lewis Howes: It was everything and that’s what left me … It was the opposite of The Urban Monk. There’s a guy, I’m forgetting his name right now. He’s a psychologist who wrote a book called The Upside of Your Dark Side. He actually says that these negative angry emotions that a lot of people say aren’t good to have are actually really powerful and positive in some ways and you shouldn’t suppress these emotions, these feelings. You should allow yourself to be angry for a moment but it shouldn’t consume and control you and you should be aware of it. It’s a healthy expression as opposed to reacting towards someone or lashing out at someone, that’s not healthy.
Expressing it to a friend or in the pillow, punching a pillow and letting something out, if you don’t let it out in a healthy way someday it might come out in a very unhealthy way I would say.
Pedram: It drip-releases. How many assholes do you know in your life who you know needed to let stuff out a long, long time ago? It’s just worked its way into their personality.
Lewis Howes: Exactly. I was so much more reactive. I was a lot more reactive throughout life, I was triggered by people, driving in LA I was very triggered. It was a week ago someone was driving and I had a green light and they just turned left right in front of me. They pulled, I was like, “I’m about to be in a car crash.” I slammed the brakes, this person swerved right and left because she didn’t know which way to go. She knew she was in the wrong and luckily I swerved out of the way and she stopped and froze in the middle of the road. In my three/five year old reaction mode would have been like, “F you, screaming, honking the horn.” Reactive.
Instead I was just like, “Well I can either react and be really angry in this moment and that’s not going to serve me.” Or I can just be like, “That sucked, that was a moment, I’m okay, I’m healthy.” I turned the music back up and just started singing again. I was like, “We have a decision. We have a choice in every moment.” Now, I’m not saying I’m perfect, I’m sure I lash out at people left and right sometimes in moments, I’m not like the monk in the hills who can be Zen 24/7. I’m saying I’m much more aware of it and conscious of it.
Pedram: I’ve got to say the monk in the hills who’s Zen 24/7 I challenge him to come down and live in LA for a couple of months and see how much of it sticks, right?
Lewis Howes: Exactly.
Pedram: You’ve got to pressure-test that stuff. When you get someone like you I just had this the other day, I got my baby in the car and a pregnant wife and someone pulled a stunt like that. Then all that papa bear energy comes up simultaneously where you’re just like …
Lewis Howes: Protective.
Pedram: What are you trying to kill my family? It’s just like you’ve still got to stop but to me that’s just a function of lack of awareness. She is so not in that car, she was so somewhere else and that’s an epidemic, right?
Lewis Howes: Yes.
Pedram: It’s an epidemic I’ve seen in the school system too where like, “I don’t know why this kid is not focusing.” It’s like, “Well, he’s probably running a video game in his head, he probably hates this seat that you’re making him sit in and he hates the system that he’s being subjected to.” Young Lewis over here is destined to be a drop out and a failure or dot, dot, dot. Then you create your own reality. How much of that … what is the framework or is there even a framework for how someone who doesn’t fit inside that mold could find their excellence in your world view?
Utilizing The Power Of Visualization and Dreaming
Lewis Howes: It’s a constant evaluation of what’s working for me and what’s not working for me. It’s a constant evaluation of, “Am I living my dreams or are my dream exciting enough for me to be inspired every single day?” I think a lot of people aren’t dreaming big enough. We don’t take the time to go back to when we were five, six, seven years old and allow ourselves to dream. I’m talking about going in nature for an hour and not taking your phone or a computer with you and no one else. Just you and your thoughts and a pen and a note pad and allowing yourself to dream.
If you could have anything you wanted no matter how silly or unreasonable it may seem from your family’s point of view or your spouse’s point of view. If you could have anything you wanted, any type of life you wanted, what would be included? Who would be included? Where would you be? What experiences and feelings and taste and smells would you be having? I don’t think people actually … If you ask everyone that you know and say, “When was the last time you sat for an hour and dreamed about everything you wanted in your life?” There’s not many people that do that anymore. It’s a lost art. It may sound weird or woo woo wi and trust me I’m the opposite of woo, I’m all about action and results.
That’s my nature but I know the power of visualization and dreaming because it’s what I’ve been doing since I was a kid and then everything I dream I create or I get really close to it. I’ve been dreaming about the Olympics for decades and I’m very close to it. It’s really hard to do but I’m close. I’m on the USA National Team and I’m on the path. I’m on the journey. I think the framework is being aware of, “Am I doing everything in my life?” If life was over today am I achieving everything and on the path to achieving everything I want personally? Am I serving the world in a big way by doing what I want to do?”
For me greatness my definition is discovering and maximizing our unique born gifts and talents, making the most of them to pursue our dreams with those gifts. Then making the maximum amount of impact on the people around us or as many people as possible with those gifts and following our dreams. That’s my framework is, “Am I living the way I want to live every day? If not, what’s not working and how can I shift it? Am I making the biggest impact on the people around me? That means am I present? Am I connecting to them? Am I looking people in the eyes? Am I giving them a quick little hug or am I actually holding them for five seconds where it’s probably a little uncomfortable for them but I just want to tell them how much I appreciate them and hug them for five seconds or 10 seconds.”
That’s my, I guess, framework. Obviously I talk about in my book these eight principle to become great in your life, in your business, your relationships that we could dive in if we want to. Really it’s, “Am I living the way I’ve always dreamed of? If not, what am I sacrificing and is that serving me?”
Pedram: Love that. Well, what happened to that? Is that such a luxurious item to dream about life? Are we so caught in the humdrum where we’re not even allowed to do that? There’s no time to stop and measure thrice?
Lewis Howes: I think we allow the pressures of other people to dictate our lives and we react as opposed to create the life we want to. We react to conditioning from our parents obviously early on. Like I’m sure your parents said, “You’ve got to be a doctor” or something or maybe that was your dream, I don’t know but you were probably influenced in a specific way. It’s probably been amazing for you and you’ve probably shifted from what your parents wanted you to be to being a doctor in the way you’ve wanted to do it which is very different than a traditional doctor now. Because you’re like, “That actually doesn’t work for me.
I want to create a media empire to educate people and create movies and products and teach and educate. That inspires me and I’m grateful my parents led me to this but what they wanted was actually the complete nightmare for me. It wasn’t like a dream. Maybe I’m throwing words in your mouth but as an example.
Pedram: No, it’s pretty damn accurate. With the caveat of saying what they wanted for me was the best that they knew at the time but they were enslaved by just a meme. They didn’t know. We’re … I don’t know, we’re close to the same age. In my day it was either be a doctor, lawyer or engineer, what else are you going to do? If you go to school you could do one of those three. Now, it’s like, “What do you mean start a blog? Is this the world is completely upended?
Lewis Howes: Exactly. Luckily my dad I think because he didn’t pursue his dreams and he was always resentful because he had my older brother when he was 19 and two other sisters then me. He couldn’t go pursue his dream. He was 19 when my mom got pregnant, they got married. He just had to fit that role of …
Pedram: He had to work.
Lewis Howes:… well we’re married, I’ve got to work three jobs, I’ve got to struggle to provide for my family. I was very fortunate that my dad went through that and realized, “Hey, go after your dreams and chase it because at some point you may have to have a family and then they’re going to be over potentially.” That’s probably where he was coming from so luckily he always said, “Never let anyone hold you back from your dreams.” I’ve been going after it. Because I was influenced by that I gave myself the permission to go after it. I think a lot of people feel guilty for going after their dreams because someone else told them that that’s not what they’re supposed to be doing and they really care about that someone else.
That could be their friend, their parents and we want to be accepted more than anything obviously. That’s what we want, connection and intimacy and acceptance and so we don’t want to let people down. I don’t want to let anyone down. It’s having the conversation where someone’s saying, “Listen, I don’t want to let you down but I’m going to be okay, I’m going to figure it out.” This is what really fulfills me and excites me. I think a lot of people just aren’t aware and present to their dreams because they don’t feel like they’re possible without letting people down or upsetting people.
We are a nation of people-pleasers, I’m a big people-pleaser. I want to please everyone but sometimes that’s at our expense and we hurt ourselves along the way.
Pedram: If I’m listening to this and thinking, “Hey man I want to do that but I’ve got a mortgage and car payments and these kids and tuition and all that kind of crap. That sounds great buddy but I’m already living your dad’s ex-life.” Right?
Lewis Howes: Right.
Pedram: How do I pivot?
Taking Control Of Your Life Through Visualization And Journaling
Lewis Howes: It’s interesting, I had a conversation with a woman who’s 68 yesterday and I could tell she wasn’t excited about life. She’s been working in this career for a while, she’d been married for 21 years on her third marriage. She’s also a therapist so she coaches other people about sticking it out and things like that. I said, “On a scale of one to 10 life at a 10 is incredible, you have everything you want and life at a one is you’re completely miserable and feel trapped and terrified. Where are you at right now?” She said, “One.” No hesitation, she said, “One.” I was like, “Oh my gosh, okay.” I said, “How long have you been at a one?” She said, “A number of years.”
I said, “You could leave it all behind … if you could leave it all behind, get the divorce or leave the relationship, leave the jobs you’re in, leave the country, whatever it is. If you could leave it all behind where do you think you’d be at? Where would you think you’d be at in a year from now?” She was like, “Well, I’m terrified to do that, that’s why I haven’t done it because I’m terrified.” I’m like, “Where would you be at?” She said, “At least a seven.” Just leaving she’d be at a seven, not knowing if she had a job coming into this and this and this. I was like, “How much longer do you want to live your life at a one?
How much longer are going to keep living at a one when you already know that there’s other options available for you?” What I would say is … I don’t know if that answered it but what I would say is that when you have those responsibilities I get it. I get it like … I actually don’t get it because I haven’t experienced that. I get that you might feel stuck or might feel like, “Hey, I’ve got three kids, I’ve got to work somewhere. I’ve got to make it happen and I’m not going to divorce this person. This is what I want so how can I live the life of my dreams?” What I would say is go through this exercise. Go into nature for an hour and dream for an hour of what your life could look like with everything with your family right now and the career you would want to have.
Just write it down from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep, everything that happens in a perfect day in your dream world. I’ll give an example for just starting it out. I wake up at 7 AM with the sun rising, coming through my window and I’m smiling with so much joy because I can’t believe the woman of my dreams is laying next to me. That’s how my perfect day would start out. I don’t have that right now but that’s how my perfect day would start out. Then I would walk through, I would write this down. I’d be writing this whole thing down all the way to the last moment I go to sleep.
What am I doing? What am I experiencing? What foods am I eating? Where am I living? What am I spending my time on in the pursuit of my career or my business that I want to do? Write everything down. The second part of this, so this is one part. The second part of this exercise in another piece of paper create an itinerary from the moment you wake up, so if that’s 7 or 8 AM, whatever, write 7 AM to the moment you go to bed, 11/midnight. You’re going to put every 30 minutes increments what you’re doing throughout your day and how you’re going to fit that perfect day into your everyday.
You may only get the first hour. It may be like, “I wake up with my wife and we have incredible talk, we sit out on our balcony, we express how much gratitude we have for where we’re at. I go for a 30 minute run. Maybe that’s all you get to start. You get the first hour of your perfect day but then start building in 30 minutes here and there. Maybe at lunch time you get to do something that you dream about. Maybe at night time you get to have the dinner with your family and do something else, you’re adding in two, three four hours.
Then the job and things like that will come once you start adding in the rest but just adding that will make you feel more fulfilled. You may not have it all tomorrow but you can have another 30 minutes of what you want tomorrow. I can guarantee that.
Pedram: I love that. That’s very incremental, it’s very sane. It’s a rational approach to just changing and environmentally hacking your life in a way that going to move you to that place, wherever that is. It might take a year or two, who cares, right?
Lewis Howes: It might take a while, yeah. I don’t have the girl of my dreams right now, it’s like I’m still working on my perfect day every single day but I’m on the path and I’m enjoying the process. It’s never going to be perfect and that’s okay. If you got everything you wanted in one day it’ll get boring the next day.
Lewis Howes: It’s going to evolve and change anyways but it’s enjoying that process.
Pedram: The anticipation of it and you start off … if you start at the place where this poor woman you’re talking about, she’s at a one. It’s all downhill from there. You’re going to do better just by your own stated admission. It’s walk the dog.
Lewis Howes: Exactly. Do something else.
Pedram: That’s fantastic man. Hey, I know you’ve got a book coming out. I know how much work that is, we’re actually with the same publisher so we compare notes.
Lewis Howes: We’re in the process right now.
Pedram: It’s fun, it takes a lot of energy to write a book and it brings a lot out of you. It really does bring the greatness out of you because it’s like if you’re going to be a weight loss guru they’re going to see if you’re fat. If you’re going to talk about greatness they want to see what you’re talking about. I’ve had the pleasure of hanging out with you and you practice what you preach. It’s been great to get to know you so I really think that you’re life philosophy is something that is a breath of fresh air.
Lewis Howes: Thank you.
Pedram:Tell our listeners where they could find you.
How To Follow Lewis Howes’ Work
Lewis Howes: You can find me online anywhere LewisHowes.com, I’ve also got a podcast called The School of Greatness which we talked about and then I’m @lewishowes ever online and you can get the book everywhere.
Pedram: It’s H-O-W-E-S.
Lewis Howes: Correct.
Pedram: Fantastic, well man good luck to you. I know the book launch is going to put you onto the parade for a while and you’re shaking hands and kissing babies but it’s a good book. You need to get out there impress the flesh and share with the world. It’s a good book, it’s a good message and you’re a good dude so thank you.
Lewis Howes: Thanks brother, appreciate it Jeff for having me on.