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Healing Light – Light Therapy with guest Lisa Garr

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Overachieving and Crashing

Lisa Garr is the host of The Aware Show. She has done over 5000 interviews with leaders in the fields of positive growth and healing. But being a radio show host wasn’t always on Lisa’s career radar. At one point she worked in TV production. She was also a competitive mountain biker. In both endeavors, she was a self-described “overachiever.” Now she’s a strong advocate for Light Therapy. Why?

During one strenuous downhill mountain run, and suffering from serious dehydration, Lisa pushed too far and had a terrible fall down the mountain after her bike flew out from under her. Her grave condition required her to be airlifted by helicopter. Her brain had suffered damage from both the dehydration and the trauma. This caused her to lose her memory and the ability to speak. Lisa eventually regained both and she discovered some wonderful gifts on that path back.

Near Death and Rebuilding the Brain

The first gift occurred at the time of the injury. After she hit her head, Lisa didn’t feel any pain. Instead, she experienced a sense of wonder, expansiveness and a connection to all of life and the surrounding Universe.

She wanted to know what had caused this sense of wonder at a time of traumatic injury. In her search for the answer and as she fought her way back, Lisa was determined to 1) heal her brain 2) connect to a greater level of consciousness 3) fulfill a larger purpose.

On the mountain, Lisa had experienced what she later came to find out was an “NDE” – Near Death Experience. Doctor Raymond Moody was her teacher in that area. The clarity, beauty, and sense of oneness were shared by others who had been on the precipice of life and death.

Dr. Barry Sterman introduced her to neurofeedback, also known as “neurobiofeedback.” She learned that we could train our brain waves through the use of special feedback. She realized the implications this had for everything from cortical function, to neuroplasticity, to spiritual awakening.

She later began an in-depth study of brain activity – in particular, gamma wave entrainment. This is the brain frequency at which Lucid Dreaming takes place. Lisa was eventually able to bring people to this state with her voice alone.

The Healing Power of Light

Light therapy was another discovery on Lisa’s path to a “better than normal” brain. Light is something available to us all. Because of that, its benefits are under-appreciated, taken for granted, hidden, or just ignored. Unlike us, the Ancient Egyptians revered the healing power of the Sun. Lisa also developed a reverence for it.

She discovered that this powerful healing modality increased circulation and ATP production, reduced inflammation, improved mood, blood biomarkers, and organ function. The Mayo Clinic uses it to treat everything from psoriasis to depression. Cosmetic surgeons are using it for non-surgical facelifts because infrared light has the ability to produce collagen. Dentists are using it to reduce dental pain and to improve oral health.

The Digital Revolution has meant that many of us are overwhelmed by technology. Lisa Garr used things like neurofeedback and LED’s and made them her allies. They even became her doorway to a higher spiritual dimension of psychic abilities and enhanced intuition.

As Lisa puts it, “it’s not one thing that fixes all.” That means that in addition to the healing power of light, she urges people to create a plan that also includes, supplementation, eating right, and cleansing.

You can find out more at theawareshow.com/light where you’ll find an 80 page syllabus detailing the research on Light Therapy.

 

Interview Notes For The Show:

Pedram:

Hey, it’s Pedram back again with the Urban Monk. Today, I’m sitting with Lisa Garr. She’s the host of The Aware Show. She’s on Pacifica Radio all over the country. I was listening to her way back in the day and it’s an honor to actually have her in the studio hanging out with her. She’s a delightful human being. Guess what? She really opens up today. She tells, for the first time, how she got into this injury and what it did, how it affected her life and a lot of things that you would know about Lisa Garr. Stay tuned. It’s a very interesting episode with Lisa Garr.

Also, next week, Ocean Robbins, who has started The Food Revolution Network doing amazing work with advocacy in food, gets in and really starts to talk to me about what it is that we can do to change the food shed and we’ll find our way, we’ll find our way towards better health for us in the planet. Enjoy Lisa Garr today. I think you could really appreciate where she’s coming from.

Lisa Garr’s Mountain Bike Injury and Near Death Experience

Lisa:

A mountain biker. I was a state champion level mountain biker and had just a love for the mountain. I love mountain biking. I still mountain bike. It’s my sanctuary. It’s my church. I love it. I love it out there but I loved it a little too much and I was racing pretty hard core. I know the body can create incredible things and I love to find out where my limits are and what my personal best is so I was in the seventh race series. The seventh race is a double points race. This is a California state championship title. It was 108 degrees, 5,000 feet of climbing, 27-mile race. The conditions were brutal. It was extremely hot. I went through a 50-ounce CamelBak. I hydrated as much as I could but it didn’t matter because I had depleted my body but it was the end of the race. I thought, “Okay, I’m good. I’ve got this. All I need to do is go through this, switchback descent over a bridge into a grass area. There’s the finish line. I was done.”

I had it because I like descending and I could descend. I saw this first place girl in front of me. I thought, “How did I catch her?” I’m racing my own race. I’m doing my own thing and I looked at her and something in my mind must have just let go because I had passed out on the bike while upright, right about to go over the end to the descent but I instead fell down the hill, long ways down the hill because I remember I was at the top of the trees and then I was at the base of the trees. My helmet flew off, found out later it cracked in 13 places. I shred in my helmet because I must have fallen over and over but it was so confusing because I hear I was at the bottom of this hill and the bike was on the top. The last thing I knew, I was pedaling. I was on the bike. Then, it was above me.

I didn’t know the level of brain damage I had at that point but nothing made sense. I had no balance. I finally just gave in and I just slipped into this stream of consciousness, this total expanded state. It was probably the most beautiful, clear, brilliant, vibrant, memorable state I’ve ever experienced. It was just absolutely incredible. It was so expansive. There was no such thing as a boundary. There was no such thing as separation between anything. Everything was combined. I was and could feel the tree and the tree was me. I wasn’t separate from anything.

Pedram:

Are you bleeding? Are you mangled?

Lisa:

Totally.

Pedram:

How close to death are you at this point?

Lisa:

I was awakened by the medics who had my body on a stretcher at this moment. I’m starting to hear things audibly but before I could hear them audibly, I could feel these feelings, these yearnings, these purposes that weren’t mine. I started to tune into it and then I started to be distracted because I was hearing them saying her body is failing, she, something or another. When I opened my eyes, they tilted my body to the side because they said, “She’s vomiting.” So, she doesn’t choke on her throat, they tilted my body to the side. When that moment happened, it was way too much information. It was way too much pain so I slipped out again because where I was, was painless. There was no sense of my body. There was no feeling. It was just all consciousness.

Then, as I was drifting and feeling this other experience, then I was awakened by these blades which are super loud sound of helicopter blades which it took me a while to figure out what that was. I realized that I was dying. They’d put my body in a helicopter because there wasn’t enough time to get me to a hospital in an ambulance. My systems were failing but I was in the best state I’d ever been in. That was not painful, Pedram. It wasn’t. The body was but the state outside …

I realized how small the container our bodies are. - Lisa Garr via @PedramShojai

Pedram:

You weren’t hanging out there.

Lisa:

I wasn’t in that body. I realized how small the container our bodies are. As magnificent as they are and as incredibly intelligent as they are, they are tiny. We live sometimes thinking that this is all there is. It isn’t. Our consciousness is all that is.

Pedram:

Were you like a spiritual conscious person before this bump in the head?

Lisa:

Nope. I was in television production. I was working as a segment producer on a daytime talk show. I was creating a company filling audiences for television shows at the same time, total overachiever.

Pedram:

Hustling.

Lisa:

A hustler, yes, and climbing that ladder. I was aware of the fact that there was a higher purpose and I was on a quest for but I didn’t … It was such a state of unconsciousness for me that I really wasn’t looking outside until I had this moment of incredible, incredible expanded pure consciousness. When I woke up in the hospital, I forgot all of that because I woke up in such a panic. I woke up in a state of complete shock because when the doctor said to me, “What’s your name, your birthday?” all those things they ask you to find out your state of concussion, I had lost the ability to speak. Unfortunately, I damaged the part of my brain that housed the language center and the synapse broke between the brain and the tongue. All of that got locked and I went into a total panic. I could still viscerally feel that shut down. I lost it. I went into complete fear. I lost that idea that there was more than me. I went back into the small container. I was trapped.

Pedram:

A broken container at this point.

Recovering From Traumatic Brain Injury

Lisa:

Yes. I had to calm myself and at that time, they look at you. I have eight bags of saline later. I had lost about 12 pounds. That was how severely depleted my body was in that day. I had saline. They were trying to rehabilitate my brain and my body. Think about how much depletion my brain had at that level of dehydration. I had not only a concussion but dehydration and systems failure but I also lost a considerable amount of my memory, long term gone, short term, very, very, very spotty. They released me from the hospital with that concussion.

Pedram:

How many days later?

Lisa:

A day. That’s what happens. If you’re not … I had no broken bones. There was no way of diagnosing. The awareness we have now about concussions and TBIs and trauma and so forth is light years ahead of where I was in 2000. This is-

Pedram:

It isn’t that long ago. Wow.

Lisa:

It isn’t. The awareness in this research and the study has done so much for people with TBIs but I know what it’s like to live in that state of you’re terrified of yourself because you can’t remember anything. You can’t remember conversations you have. You appear normal. Your loved ones think that you’re fine but you find yourself staring for hours. Days go by. Your reactions are slow. You cannot remember to hold a conversation. All of the overachieving I was doing was gone. I was losing my business. I was losing things because I couldn’t remember what I was saying to people which was terrifying. Then, I found my way to this Dr. Barry Sterman which I can’t believe that you know him. I can’t believe you know him. He was my hero.

All of the overachieving I was doing was gone - @LisaGarr via @PedramShojai

Pedram:

Small world.

Lisa:

He was doing experimental neurofeedback sessions in this random office down the street from my house which I couldn’t drive. I don’t even remember how I found him but I was sitting in this waiting room with kids with epilepsy and seizures and they were getting better. I remember sitting there thinking I’m not worthy because these kids were severely broken and their parents were in so much pain but I remember them talking about how they were getting their kids back. I would sit in this waiting room for hours observing the parents. I would wait for my sessions because I would let them go ahead of me.

Dr. Sterman, he was experimenting with neurofeedback and all that he did with these brain games, I call them, I was … He determined the right prefrontal cortex was dormant. It was not sending a signal to the monitor and he determined which cortexes were broken, cerebral, right, prefrontal and he started targeting those areas with this feedback response system and building these games. I was start on hot air balloons and you would get a little teeny reward of a teeny square of this hot air balloon. The more your brain would go into a coherent frequency, the more that it would respond to the signals sent and send back a signal. Then, it would send a higher amperage. It would send back the signal. The more that response system happened, the more squares of the balloon I would get. It took me 22 months to build the damn balloon. That was a lot of work.

Pedram:

In those 22 months, you-

Lisa:

My brain rebuilt itself.

Pedram:

You rewired your brain.

Lisa:

Yes, I did.

Pedram:

Wow.

Lisa:

I did. It’s not a one-time fixes all thing. When you do that, Dr. Sterman will tell you you need to come back every six months. Then, he went on to teach around the world. I lost contact with him but I needed a way to be able to keep my brain active because his technology wasn’t available anywhere other than him. That was how and why in synchronistically and all of these different things started to come together. I started taking classes in intuition and developing intuition and psychic abilities because I really was able to get in touch with this other state.

Pedram:

You tapped into it.

Lisa:

Absolutely.

Pedram:

It remained there like you had access.

Lisa:

I had to go back. This was a couple years or maybe a year and a half later where I started to go back. I found this place called the Southern California Psychic Institute. You would sit in meditation. You would just talk and recognize pictures that you would see in this meditation. I would have these memories of this experience that I went through. Then, I would start to recall it. It was all developing for five years. I went through this course where I was developing my intuition and trusting these pictures that I was seeing. Then, people would come in and I would match pictures in other people and see theirs. I was able to see and do this. It was amazing. Then, I started interviewing people. This was my exercise. I would interview people like Doreen Virtue who communicate with angels. The way that I got on Los Angeles Public Radio in the middle of the day on a political left-wing liberal radio station talking about angels and communicating with spirits …

Pedram:

I was wondering how you landed that gig.

Lisa:

It was God. It was total divine intervention because that was a path that I was supposed to be on.

Pedram:

The funny part that could have been the tragic part is that that was the part you couldn’t connect in your own brain after the injury and now, this is what you do for a living like this is what you … You are a talk show hostess.

Lisa:

More than that.

Pedram:

I’m sure.

Lisa:

That, I taught myself to be a talk show hostess. I came about it from a pure inquiry of wanting to heal my brain, connect to a greater level of consciousness and fulfill a purpose in my life.

.@LisaGarr on her mission to inspire positive growth and change via @PedramShojai

Pedram:

Which was?

Lisa:

To communicate messages that inspire positive growth and change. That’s why I’m here.

Pedram:

Beautiful.

Lisa:

That’s what I do. That’s why I can’t do anything else. I can’t. I could try to go become a nurse. I could try to be a dentist. It wouldn’t work.

Pedram:

It would feel like you’re working for a living instead of being in your calling especially with the kind of lesson that you were dealt and given and blessed with. We say there’s a huge surge of dimethyltryptamine in the brain at birth and then at death in the near-death experiences where you are in that state, in that non-local state.

Brain Mapping and Near Death Experiences (NDEs)

Lisa:

Yes. Since I went down the path of getting my master’s in transformational psychology from Philosophical Research Society, in that course that I got to the middle of, Dr. Raymond Moody was one of my professors.

Pedram:

Not bad.

Lisa:

Then, I looked up Life After Life, his website and he has researched thousands and thousands of people with NDEs. He had this classic definition on his website of a near-death experience and this is what you go through. I’m like, “Holy shit. This is me. How did he know my experience?” I’ve never met this guy.

Pedram:

Totally.

Lisa:

Then, of course I had to interview him and talk to him about what he does and learned. Yes, this was a classic definition of that impeccable memory, that completely vivid experience like as if it was yesterday. I can remember the colors, the feelings, the sensations, everything and the recounting. I didn’t go down a tunnel or anything but I recognize that it was clearly that oneness, that whole experience. There’s probably an experience in the brain that you could describe it as and there’s probably a lot of research around that. I just know what I felt as being amazing and a catalyst for why I do what I do.

Pedram:

I don’t know how much research there is. I think there needs to be more. To me, this is some of the coolest stuff we have. It’s just so profound and points to things that are just so big and kind of mainstream won’t even look at it because this is like, “Woh.”

Lisa:

Right. There’s not a lot of definitions for it. I was just interviewed by Eldon Taylor who’s a brilliant scientist and he has a couple of definitions of people that go through near-deaths and he was saying there’s category one and category two. I fit somewhere in the middle of these two categories he was explaining because every NDE is different. Everyone experiences it differently, yet the research does need to be done so that you can start to find themes. Raymond Moody’s probably the one who’s done the closest accounting of those themes that I know of.

Pedram:

They have some brain mapping of shamanic experiences and things that hang between those realms. Curious. Did you, at one point during that experience with the in and out and out my head and what’s going on, feel like I don’t want to go back to this body because it’s filled with so much pain?

Lisa:

Yeah. You know what’s interesting because in the brain mapping, when I do the brain entrainment or any of that, I am the most attuned to the gamma frequencies because that’s the state that was closest to the one that I was in. It was the most heightened hyper aware expansive …

Pedram:

Non-local.

Lisa:

… interdimensional, right, non-local experience. The gamma frequency is what they had measured in the monks and through that whole study. That is truly the entrainment technology that I find the closest to that experience.

Pedram:

Was Barry doing that with you back then or did you get into gamma because …

Lisa:

I got into gamma afterwards. I am recently, and this is real exciting, is I finally, I haven’t told you this yet, laid down a meditation. I’ve done several meditations where I get people through my voice into these different states. I finally found somebody who found me from Australia, this company called NeuroSonica that does gamma entrainment technology. They matched my voice to the gamma entrainment and it was the same frequency. I’ve started to now do these recordings with that company which is so freaking exciting for me because it’s like starting to come through into science for me. That’s exciting for me.

Pedram:

I think this is probably the most exciting time in history and we’re just so in it. It’s hard to know.

Lisa:

Totally.

Pedram:

Everyone’s looking at the scary shit like, “Oh, my God, the world’s …”

Lisa:

We’re probably speaking four layers right now.

Pedram:

Yeah, totally. Not my audience. They’re used to me being weird.

Lisa:

Good.

Pedram:

It’s crazy because ISIS and all of the different problem like economic collapse and this and that and the other and all this kind of racism and all this crap that people hear about but literally, what’s blossoming is this marriage of science and spirituality. You actually had technology help you come back. Now, you can actually communicate. You had this experience that your voice, millions of people hear your voice.

Lisa:

Yes, and they can identify it. They hear healing qualities within it and it opens up portals in people that I’ve heard, feedback that I’ve heard from people. I’m very grateful for that, to hear that kind of feedback because as I said, I didn’t come in at this to be a host. That was what happened as a result of the mission to get into it but I love communicating this information so people can have it.

Pedram:

It’s because you deserve to be a host. Some people want to be like, “Look at me.” They’re not carrying a message. They’re not working for the big universe.

Lisa:

Yeah, I know. There’s that theory of I could have loved to have done that. I’d probably make a lot more money but I’m living the mission of people being able to … I don’t have an agenda. You’re right. I don’t push the agenda which is why people can hear what I have to say. They can take it or leave it, learn from it or not. That’s how it’s presented so that they can have it when they’re ready. Many, many times, people say … Look, I’ve heard this so many times before but this guy who is this shamanic healer unlocked this sexual trauma that I didn’t even know I had and it held the key in that interview. I loved that. That’s painful for her, I get it, but she’s changed now because of that.

Pedram:

That was more painful for her to hold on to that.

Lisa:

Yeah, most likely.

Pedram:

You’ve interviewed everybody. You’ve interviewed so many people in the space. You’re also finding the voices of people that were speaking truth and bringing it to the world.

Lisa:

It’s endless. I’ve probably done over 5,000 interviews at this point and many of them are multiple interviews. Wayne Dyer was a major influence in my life and I interviewed him dozens and dozens of times. He became a personal friend and a mentor and he’s still here. He’s absolutely still with me.

Pedram:

Amen.

Lisa:

Still guiding.

Pedram:

Amen. You’re now beaming. You have your health. Thank God the things that happened, the interventions that helped you come through that and step out and be a voice, you then started playing with anything really to help you stay on this. You found some really cool things. I’d love to talk about that and unpack that because I’m a traditional Daoist monk and here we are with all this shit. You know what I mean? There’s technology everywhere. Technology is your friend if you know how to use it. You’ve been working with technology that’s actually helped you.

What Is Light Therapy?

Lisa:

Yes. It has been a theme in my life absolutely because technology healed my brain through being on the internet as a technology user and then I was introduced to a certain type of technology. I’m introduced to a lot of things and I tried them all or I tried them on my family. They were … They’re great guinea pigs, to see what works. I did find a particular device. It’s a light healing device. It’s a light therapy device, I should say and it is a FDA approved medical device that can be used using LED light therapy for certain things.

It’s classified for increasing circulation, reducing inflammation. Those are the main key components that it’s approved as a class three medical device for. It’s way beyond that which is what I have found. This, it’s called … It’s light therapy. It’s been used. What did I do? What I did is I started interviewing people around light therapy and how it exists and what ancient context that it’s been used in. I went to my favorite people. I went to, I love Norm Shealy now, who created the TENS unit.

Pedram:

He’s great.

Lisa:

He talked about devices. This man has been doing this for decades.

Pedram:

Norm Shealy, by the way, neurologist, neurosurgeon who’s like the OG guy that brought acupuncture over to the West. He was this like, “Hey, this is cool. You need to look at this.” He was ahead of his time.

Lisa:

Yes. Then, he created the transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation device. That’s the TENS unit which is used worldwide now. Then, he got into different types of technologies. I interviewed him. I start interviewing people. I say, “What do you know about light therapy? How do you know that it works? What have you used it for?” Of course, he’s used it throughout his whole practice but he has these huge domes at his camp and he has light from all angles. He’s used light therapy in his practice. It is used in the Mayo Clinic for depression. I’ll explain a little bit more about that later. I interviewed Dr. Joe Dispenza, chiropractor of course and also neuroscientific expert, healed his own body with his mind and his extreme attention to his thoughts and how his thoughts create his reality, talked to me all about light. I did a whole series on this because I needed to learn why is this working so well, what is it about it.

Light is used as a third eye for healing - @LisaGarr via @PedramShojai

Then, I found William Henry who is a mythologist and he of course goes into … He’s the Ancient Aliens guy, brilliant man who talks about Egyptian history and showed me different ways of how light is of course at the top of pyramids. He’s in so many different types of artifacts of hieroglyphics, of paintings in Egyptian history of where light is used, the third eye for healing. It’s been used in ancient history by gods and emperors and kings. It was coveted. I learned a little bit about the history of where light shows up in ancient history, in current day modern technology. As I was learning about this and it crosses over into Solfeggio frequencies and different types of frequencies because light is a frequency.

This particular, what this light device, and I can turn it on. You can see. These are LED bulbs and each bulb, inside each bulb the way that this has been manufactured is it’s manufactured in the US, they have these domes inside. It takes the LED and it diffuses the light. As opposed to LEDs and lasers, laser is a directed light source which can be dangerous. That’s why it needs to be used by a practitioner who’s licensed, who’s trained to use them like that. This is not dangerous. It doesn’t have side effects because it’s diffused light. If you put it … Put your hand out on the table. If you put on the back of your hand, you notice it gets warm. You can sit there with it.

Pedram:

This is going to improve my handwriting?

Lisa:

It gets warm but the red and the blue create infrared. There’s a lot of different healing frequencies that come from infrared but the red light through the LED penetrates about nine millimeters through the skin. What it’s doing is it’s going through the epidermis that’s getting into the cells and it’s starting to increase circulation. This is 20-minute cycles that this particular device does. It goes into the skin and it starts to cause circulation to happen with the cells. That circulation then starts to produce nitric oxide and mitochondria stimulation and ATP and all that gets produced through circulation. You can do it through exercise. You can do it through many different things, increased circulation except when you use this with exercise, this does something like wick away lactic acid out of the cells because this was used originally for equine therapy in resources because these poor resources … You know where I’m driving with this.

Pedram:

Run, yeah.

Lisa:

They run them and then they use this on very, very award winning race horses, not my philosophy but then they started using it therapeutically in hospitals and then started using it in a wider range. It started creating incredible effects for people. They got FDA approval on it because that’s one of the things that you need to do when you go into a …

Pedram:

Therapeutic stuff, yeah.

Light Therapy As Treatment

Lisa:

Therapeutic device. I have started using this about a year ago, myself and my family. I started with simple things like ovaries. I started on my ovaries because I was going through these hot flashes and I didn’t like them. I didn’t want them. I thought, “Okay, well if this thing is going to work, I’m going to use it on something that it couldn’t possibly work on.”

Pedram:

Totally. I’m got give it the hardest thing to do and take the challenge now.

Lisa:

This has really annoyed me. What it did is it started to add blood flow back to the ovaries which what does that do? It starts to, when you get blood flow in … When ovaries start to shrivel up, that’s of course menopause and you’re not getting as much circulation through menses, cycles. The ovaries start to shrink when you go through menopause. What this does is it added circulation back into the ovaries. What does that? A hormone cream maybe? I don’t know.

Pedram:

Right. I wouldn’t think that.

Lisa:

You can’t really exercise your ovaries. Exercise helps but I started to notice that the hot flashes completely subsided. I called and I said, “Why would something like that happen?”

Pedram:

What the hell?

Lisa:

Explained it, because you added circulation back into the ovaries. I thought, “Okay, I have thyroid issues so I’m going to put this to the test and I’m going to get an ultra sound and I’m going to ultrasound my thyroid and I’m going to look at the shape of my thyroid and then I’m going to use this device for three months and then I’m going to re-ultrasound my thyroid. I want to see what happens.” Because I have Hashimoto’s and thyroiditis and it’s something that I get to experience and work with, my thyroid went from the shape of a raisin in the ultrasound to the shape of a prune which is not great but great for me.

Pedram:

Better.

Lisa:

Great for me.

Pedram:

Sure.

Lisa:

I’m in the process of regrowing and plumping up the organ inside of my body.

Pedram:

Are you putting in front … You’re putting it on your throat.

Lisa:

Yes, I take this every … This is what I do every single night. This goes around here. I use this on here 40 minutes twice a day. I am doing my own type of experimentation but it’s ridiculous. My blood biomarkers returned to the normal range. 50% of my blood biomarkers returned back into the normal range. They were all outside normal range. Of course, no gluten, no grains, high doses of turmeric and supplementation. This was the only other thing that I used during this time. Within the course of that three months, I took my blood biomarkers. They’re of course outside the normal range and 50% of them went within. Now, I’m 50% there. I’m going for the other 50%.

Pedram:

Sure. Why stop there?

Lisa:

Why not? It’s a combination of the different things that I’m doing but this has been the source of … My daughter is a horseback rider. She, of course, fell off the horse and the horse stepped on her hand. We did an experiment because that’s what we do. My husband took a picture of the hand, swollen, cut, completely bruised, amazingly not broken but very bruised. We did day one through four on Facebook and we just posted it. We were documenting the decreasing of the swelling. Now, it was purple and blue, her fingers were. There was a cut. In day two, the swelling was down, almost completely down. The bruising started to go away. The cut started to mend.

By day three, purple gone, no longer blue or purple. Swelling was back to normal. Her hand was completely the same as the other hand. By day four, the cut was just a scratch. The blue lights works specifically, they go less penetration into the skin so the blue lights are good for things like psoriasis, eczema, wound healing, scars, cuts. This is something that is said to produce collagen through the … You face is getting blue. Sorry.

Pedram:

It’s getting blue. The blue light makes me creep out.

Lisa:

Everything’s blue. Sorry about that.

Pedram:

I was actually having fun with it.

Lisa:

Sorry. The red goes deeper in terms of the circulation. This particular pad has both red and blue which then creates the infrared. The infrared is said to go a hundred millimeters into the skin. This combination together and this, I put on my eyeballs which I love. They have an eye mask. Some people can handle it right over the eyes. Some can handle it just on the forehead. I like putting it right over my eyes. I’ve used it to get rid of a migraine in 20 minutes …

.@LisaGarr on the power of the human brain via @PedramShojai

Pedram:

Interesting.

Light Therapy For Pain Relief

Lisa:

… because of the circulation in my eyes. Most people would think that light kills you during a migraine which I, for some reason, started having migraines in the last year, don’t have them anymore, thank God. The light is usually terrifying for someone with a migraine headache. I put this over my eyes and within three minutes, I could handle it and within 20 minutes, completely opened up my head, completely opened up.

Pedram:

You’re free. If we’re talking about nitric oxide, we’re talking about the huge inflammatory effects probably just disseminating into the nervous system into the brain, that good stuff.

Lisa:

I remember I was driving home and my world started closing in, what happens when you get that intense headache and I barely got home. I almost called my husband and said pick me up. I got up the freeway, got into the house, laid down, put this over my eyes and I was cooking dinner in an hour. I noticed that. I was like, “Wait a minute.”

Pedram:

That’s not how that usually goes.

Lisa:

I was about an hour ago about to call to get picked up on the side of the road and I’m cooking dinner. It was an interesting experience for me. That’s interesting.

Pedram:

Light. We were talking about the electro … You got Barbara Brennan’s School of Light Therapy.

Lisa:

Yes.

Pedram:

Qigong has been using it. Reiki has been using it. We’re talking about frequency based medicine and we’re talking about the acknowledgment that A, there’s something there and we’re trying to figure it out like the ancients knew something and now, it’s like, “Oh, pupu the ancients. Maybe they were right.” Now, we get these crazy devices.

Lisa:

That’s what so interesting for me is that it’s being used by chiropractors. Dentists are using this because-

Pedram:

For?

Lisa:

Inflammation. When you have a cavity or a fracture or any dental related issues, it goes into the root and it is so painful. It is very hard to get rid of that kind of pain. Everybody’s afraid of dental pain. I had that experience as well. What it does is it reduced the inflammation and increases the circulation in order to, I think, reduce the infection. That would make sense, right?

Pedram:

At least send troops to the frontlines.

The Origins Of Light Therapy

Lisa:

Right, at the healing. Yep, absolutely. Dentists are using it. As far as I know, chiropractors use it in conjunction with sessions because it works like the roller would or healing pad would but this is times 100 or something like that. A lot of people in the beauty industry are using it because of the collagen production. They’re calling it nonsurgical facelift. It’s being used a lot in the beauty industry. It’s been around for a long time but not in such a commercial … This particular device has been around for 30 years.

Pedram:

Thirty years.

Lisa:

Thirty years.

Pedram:

I didn’t even know we had LED’s 30 years ago.

Lisa:

Thirty years, I know. This particular inventor, his name is David, created this. It’s manufactured in the US. He started experimenting with it that long ago. He’s finally got it into commercial use maybe within the last, I don’t know, maybe five, six years.

Pedram:

Getting all that FDA stuff, that’s no small task.

Lisa:

That’s what he’s been … biggest task.

Pedram:

That’s no small task. When something is approved as a medical device, you have to go through a lot of hoops to get there. What are some of the craziest things you’ve seen with this like patient’s testimonials, people saying, “Holy crap. It did X”?

Lisa:

I can only speak for my experience and my family’s experience and my husband is also a crazy athlete like me. He races bike still and I just ride. I don’t race. He is winning races that he didn’t win when he was 20. All of his cycling buddies and his whole team are like, “What are you doing? What are you doing?” because this, for athletes, it’s amazing because it aids in muscle repair overnight. It’s what the pro cyclists would do with the oxygen chambers and all of that because that of course reduce inflammation and produce nitric oxide.

What this does is it starts to wick away the buildup, the lactic acid buildup in the cells and then reduces inflammation so the muscles go into repair faster. They recover faster. They’re ready again for the next day and for the next load of workout on the muscles. It’s been extremely effective for him for that. I use it on dental. My daughter used it on hand. I’ve used it for thyroid, hormone balancing. There are other devices like this that are used for hair regrowth. I don’t know much about that. I know. You’re more than welcome to just put it on your head.

It's not one thing that fixes all - @LisaGarr via @PedramShojai

Pedram:

What have I been doing this whole time? Sorry. Am I on camera still?

Light Therapy For Depression

Lisa:

As I said, the Mayo Clinic uses it for use with depression. It simulates the, just like the sun does, where vitamin D production happens with sunlight use. This is light. They’ve been using it clinically at the Mayo Clinic for two things, for use with clinical depression and also psoriasis.

Pedram:

Interesting. We use the blue for the psoriasis.

Lisa:

Yes.

Pedram:

Where do they put it for the clinical depression?

Lisa:

That is a good question. I just-

Pedram:

I just realized that they’re all the same. You just turned off the blue on this one. Got it.

Lisa:

Actually, interestingly enough, these are on. You just can’t see it with a human eye.

Pedram:

Just to keep it in the infrared.

Lisa:

The infrared is on. Yes.

Pedram:

Got it.

Lisa: That’s just not visible by the human eye but it creates the frequency of light with the combination of the infrared bulb and the LED. Both of them are. It creates the spectrum, the frequency of light that we know that is healing. The infrared light has been used for decades for healing.

Pedram:

There’s another piece to this that I’d love to just play with for a second. You alluded to something that is enormous. A lot of people don’t put these two things together is that ATP, when we get more ATP out of the mitochondria, it equals more energy. That could be more energy for your immune system. It could be straight to your brain. It could be to scavenge for bad guys. It could be to build and repair. Most of us are energetically broke because of environmental toxins, because of food.

Lisa:

Adrenal gland burnout.

Pedram:

Adrenal burnout, living the life you live before the accident.

Lisa:

Too much caffeine.

Pedram:

Yeah, all of it. ATP, to me, is just like cheese, like cash in the pocket. To be able to have, it’s called adenosine triphosphate and it’s basically … I’m going to geek out for a quick second. It’s basically the carrier molecule for energy. Energy has to be transported somehow through, and this is for the audience, not you obviously, through the cell, through the body, through the cells so that there’s a currency there. ATP is the one that does it. Energy needs to go everywhere. If you can increase the energy production in your body …

Lisa:

Yes, you can take it. There’s no ATP supplements out there. You cannot ingest it unless maybe you’re a dialysis patient and you get EPO. That’s the only way that it’s used in the medical use but the body needs to produce it on its own. It needs to be stimulated. The cell needs to be stimulated in order to produce it. I don’t know what devices out there do that.

Pedram:

There’s certain things like exercise and certain things that will help increase ATP production, CoQ10, stuff like that but there are hundreds of environmental toxins that we know damage the mitochondria. Everyone’s walking around. The number one complaint in the doctor’s office right now is fatigue. That leads to Robin Peter to pay Paul and having to find the energy to make ends meet and …

Lisa:

Nobody can fight out viruses like Epstein-Barr and those types of viruses that float around that it become susceptible too and your immune system is beat down so much. Then, we’re having autoimmune dysfunctions and so forth. It’s really an interesting subject. It’s a very interesting subject. It’s one of those things that people are trying to figure out, doctors like yourself are trying to …

Pedram:

It’s tough though because you have everything stacked against you. You could do everything right in a clinical setting. You walk out and then the truck just drove by usually gassed by diesel. Your mitochondria just went … I think proactively, every person should be doing everything to enhance their energy production because you need that force field to offset the damages that life brings.

Lisa:

Right. I’m glad you mentioned that because as you noticed, I didn’t just use the light device. I host a health show. I do so many different things. I think we have to. In this day and age, you have to eat right for your body. You have to supplement. You have to cleanse. You have to do light therapy. It’s all a part of it. It’s not one thing fixes all. I’d learned that with my brain injury. It’s not just doing the neurofeedback that fixed my brain. It was that that started it but if I didn’t continually practice what I do and using this … This has also been used for traumatic brain injuries to increase circulation in the brain, to restore circulation back to certain cortexes of the brain. This, along with all of the other protocols that I do, I am a big proponent of.

Pedram:

Love it. If you’re a lab rat and you want to go pure science, you do one thing and you factor out all the other variables and you test it. If you have a traumatic brain injury or even a sprained ankle as an athlete, I don’t need that crap. I just want to get better.

Lisa:

[crosstalk 00:42:52].

Pedram:

I just want to get better, man.

Lisa:

Exactly.

Pedram:

Life, we ran out.

Lisa:

It turns itself on us in a minute.

Pedram:

We ran out. Here’s what I think I want to do just because I think this will be fun is I’m going to call these guys and buy one of these. What I’m going to do is I’m going to post my biomarkers and post whatever I have going on now. I got a two-month-old so everything hurts. Then, just track my progress and honestly share it with my audience over time.

Lisa:

Interesting.

Pedram:

Just to feel what it feels like to be on the process for that. I’m not going to stop eating organic and all the other stuff but this is the one thing I’ll add because I love the idea of this stuff. I love the fact that someone has been around the block, has a testimonial for it because there’s also all these people out there. They’re like, “Oh, I have this device. It’s a Quantum machine.” You wouldn’t understand it and it’s $60,000.

Lisa:

Right. How do you feel?

Pedram:

You’re like, “I don’t understand quantum and I know you don’t understand quantum because quantum’s really, really complicated, throwing around the word quantum like nuts. I would say, “Everyone out there is using the word quantum.”

Our consciousness is all that is - @LisaGarr via @PedramShojai

Lisa:

No, I’m with you. We created a syllabus with hundreds and hundreds of references of light use and light therapy in many, many different types of sectors. We put together an 80-page syllabus that explains the use of light in the ancient, LED versus laser, what the penetration of their lights are. It’s all on our website which is theawareshow.com/light. For research buffs like me and for people who want the information and the references, we did it.

Pedram:

Bam.

Lisa: We put a lot into that. It was a long project. It took us a year to gather all the information from different places to vet it all out and to go through PubMed and to go through all of the places where light therapy is referenced, find the source and then put it all together in a syllabus for people. The interviews that I did on it and the syllabus and everything is at theawareshow.com/light.

Pedram:

Bam. Great. I saw a lot of it because I was sent to it a few weeks ago. I have a baby so I was able to read as much as I could.

Lisa:

Yeah, I know.

Pedram:

It was like a page turner for me. Those kinds of things aren’t that interesting normally. I was like, “Holy crap. Holy … Really?” The implications of light therapy are far reaching. It takes us out of surgery, steroids and antibiotics which is pretty much the mainstay of medicine. Light therapy is literally going to transform the way we render healthcare.

Lisa:

You got it.

Pedram:

The fact that this stuff has finally come up and changed the game, most people don’t know about it, now you do. Now, you do. Get yourself involved in understanding what light can do for you. I’m going to take the challenge. I’m definitely going to start playing around with it.

Lisa:

Very good.

Pedram:

I got enough injuries from the martial arts alone.

Lisa:

I’m sure, yes.

Pedram:

We’ll be running a lot of power into this body.

Lisa:

Good.

Pedram:

Lisa, I got to say we live pretty close to each other. We never see each other.

Lisa:

I know.

Pedram:

I want more of that.

Lisa:

Yes, you got it.

Pedram:

I love you. I love everything that you’re doing and just keep up the good work.

Lisa:

I’m in your tribe absolutely.

Pedram:

Awesome.

Lisa:

Thank you so much.

Pedram:

Thank you.

Lisa:

It’s an honor.

Pedram:

I hope you enjoyed that episode. Lisa basically arranged for me to get one of those devices. I now have one at home and I’m still playing with it but I got to say the other day, our DP on one of the camera shoots had a stiff back. I let him borrow it and he was like, literally 20 minutes later, he said, “My back is better.” A lot happened around this stuff. I’ve tried it on my wife who’s already feeling better. She had a headache one night, instantly took it away. It’s interesting. I’m going to be taking a cold, hard look at this. I’m going to be using it with patience and I’m going to be using it in my life and I’ll report back to you but hey, I saw the light and something’s working. I hope you enjoyed it. Give me comments where you see this and share, share, share if you think this could help anyone in your life. I’ll see you next week.

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